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Post by evp5O on Apr 15, 2020 23:54:05 GMT -5
Nurse friend of mine from another state
working in a NYC hospital on a contract.
All I can say is that it sounds like they
are working in a hospital in Russia
and the staff their is unorganized.
Patients are doing well in the morning
and dying in the afternoon. Older people
are hit hard and fast and many don't
speak English and die with nobody
to comfort them in their native tongue.
I could go on but it's pretty grim.
Stay healthy everyone and now is a
good time to lose weight and keep
your blood pressure in check.
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Post by dustoff262 on Apr 16, 2020 4:22:08 GMT -5
My brother is an RN in Long Island. He said it's like an assembly line with really bad parts trying to fix a broken body.
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Post by iftheyonlyknew on Apr 16, 2020 10:19:12 GMT -5
Nurse friend of mine from another state working in a NYC hospital on a contract. All I can say is that it sounds like they are working in a hospital in Russia and the staff their is unorganized. Patients are doing well in the morning and dying in the afternoon. Older people are hit hard and fast and many don't speak English and die with nobody to comfort them in their native tongue. I could go on but it's pretty grim. Stay healthy everyone and now is a good time to lose weight and keep your blood pressure in check. E Sounds like your friend is working in Brooklyn South, and hoping your friend is getting the $200 of well deserved pay!! God Bless !!! |
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Post by hapd on Apr 16, 2020 10:37:23 GMT -5
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nurses, pa's and np's are or have been laid off here in NavyTown US of A. all in anticipation of the kung flu arriving, which to date it has not. all elective types have been cashiered so doctors can still make money, in many instances. anyone ever meet a Nurse or other practitioner that served in Iraq or Afghanistan during the height of combat. they are somber, reflective and hard core and the best people you'd ever want putting you back together or saving your life. had that honor post cervical spinal surgery in 2017. all the nurses were combat veterans. greatest people you'd ever have the honor of meeting. POTUS should give all those serving on the kung flu front lines the Medal For Life Saving. create it if he need be, but get it done. for those who have died, a civilian version of The Purple Heart.
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Post by rabbit on Apr 16, 2020 10:46:57 GMT -5
The Main problem with all this "reporting" is that hundreds of people die daily normally... now they're just equating those deaths with the coronavirus... the TRUE number will Never be Truly known due to the False documentation.
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Post by Prosay on Apr 16, 2020 10:53:20 GMT -5
What your friend from out of town is experiencing is something close to what was OFTEN seen in the same city hospitals during the 70s, 80s, and some of the 90s, and there was no pandemic then, but a substantial amount of criminality and self-destruction through drugs and booze.
As busy as those hospitals are, your friend is probably experiencing a culture shock never seen before.
After all, even Cuomo is telling us that things are improving. So much so, he's "ordered" everyone to wear masks in public.
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Post by iftheyonlyknew on Apr 16, 2020 10:59:07 GMT -5
Combat Information Center Watch Supervisor nurses, pa's and np's are or have been laid off here in NavyTown US of A. all in anticipation of the kung flu arriving, which to date it has not. all elective types have been cashiered so doctors can still make money, in many instances. anyone ever meet a Nurse or other practitioner that served in Iraq or Afghanistan during the height of combat. they are somber, reflective and hard core and the best people you'd ever want putting you back together or saving your life. had that honor post cervical spinal surgery in 2017. all the nurses were combat veterans. greatest people you'd ever have the honor of meeting. POTUS should give all those serving on the kung flu front lines the Medal For Life Saving. create it if he need be, but get it done. for those who have died, a civilian version of The Purple Heart. Continued prayers to all the frontline warriors who continue to sacrifice !!!! |
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Post by maxk on Apr 16, 2020 11:16:07 GMT -5
Deaths caused by COVID-19 seem to be clustered in certain cities like NYC
The state of Wyoming has fewer than 500 cases (and no deaths at all): should the whole Wyoming economy be shut down?
This reminds me of airport security: very costly, because it treats everybody the same, even though only a tiny fraction of 1% of travelers are dangerous. Actually, there is a profile of a typical airline terrorist, but it is not allowed to be used, apparently, because Democrats "wish it away": they simply "wish it out of existence", because it conflicts with their religious belief in sameness: that all religions are the same, all races are the same, or if any difference should be found, it's only because of the bad white man.
How can the threat of COVID-19 be narrowed down? I think that's the way forward. Not one-size-fits-all: don't destroy the whole economy. Maybe have special rules for people who are at high risk, and everybody else goes back to work, wearing face masks.
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Post by Elmo334 on Apr 16, 2020 12:00:34 GMT -5
Eight Reasons to End the Lockdowns As Soon as Possible
Jonathan Geach, M.D.
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This post does not deny the effectiveness of social distancing or quarantine for COVID-19. I am not encouraging people to suspend these practices before official determinations have been made public. This post is to help physicians, thought leaders and public officials understand and weigh the risks and benefits of extended lockdowns versus more measured and earlier return to work measures.
We have already flattened the curve
Social distancing works. We have gone from predictions of millions of deaths, to hundreds of thousands and now we are predicting about 60 thousand deaths. This is with the likely over reporting of death. Dr. Birx admitted the attribution of death to COVID-19 has been liberal. If the death count were limited to deaths directly caused by COVID-19, it would likely be even lower than this.
The most effective time for social distancing is early in a pandemic. Lockdowns also slow the development of herd immunity, which helps a society move past the virus.
We can still practice good hand hygiene, wear masks in public, and continue social distancing for the elderly and high risk, while we develop protective herd immunity for those most at risk. By the time the lockdowns began, COVID-19 had already been seeded in the US for months, limiting the effectiveness of the lockdowns in the first place as the virus was already widespread.
Economic collapse and unemployment are destroying families
Each day the shutdown continues, we are losing approximately one million jobs, as evidenced by 16.5 million initial weekly jobless claims in three weeks (since March 26). Many of these lost jobs will never return. If the lockdowns continue through April (essentially, a best-case scenario), we’ll be lucky if job losses are limited to 25 million. Many people see 6.6 million people as just a number , as Len Kieffer put it, it is the size of the state of Missouri. Twenty five million is almost the size of the state of Texas!
The 16.5 million jobs lost thus far are only counting people who have filed jobless claims that were processed through April 8, 2020; it’s likely that the real number is quite a bit higher than this. In addition, there are millions of people not-technically-unemployed who have seen their incomes plummet. One example would be so-called gig workers, such as Uber and Lyft drivers. It’s almost certain that realtors are suffering the same fate.
We have not saturated the health care system
In New York We came close. Although, the ER and ICU capacity has increased in many locations, overall healthcare system capacity has decreased dramatically, as all non-COVID and non-emergent care is being neglected. This has led to layoffs of healthcare workers and delays in care for countless patients, which will result in a range of negative consequences. Assuming the need for healthcare services has remained constant while availability of such services has plummeted, countless patients are not receiving the care they need in a timely manner. In medicine, timing is of the essence, so even receiving the same exact in the future comes at a price. Many important services are being delayed: blood donations, organ donations, screening colonoscopies, and many other elective procedures. It is very important to note that elective medical care is not useless medical care; rather, it’s simply meaningful and necessary medical care that is scheduled in advance and not performed on an emergency basis.
Suicide may kill almost as many people as COVID-19 this year.
In 2018, there were 48,344 recorded suicides. Economic ruin results in a wide range of health problems, suicide, mental health issues, loss of health insurance, reluctance to visit doctors in light of financial hardship, and increases in substance abuse. This is on top of the delay in non-COVID care.
The mortality was likely overestimated
The IHME model, as well as Dr. Fauci have recently decreased the likely deaths from this pandemic to around 60,000 from earlier estimates of 1–2 million.The early reports of 3–4% case fatality rate (CFR) are likely misleading. The numbers miss those who are asymptomatic or recovered at home without seeking testing. What we really need to know is the infection mortality rate (IFR). Fortunately we have some good clues. Looking at the data from the Diamond Princess cruise ship, the infection fatality rate on the cruise ship was 1%. However, the average age of people on the cruise ship was much higher than the age of the average American. When you adjust for the differences in age between the cruise ship and America, you see that the IFR should be about 0.1%. There was a recent study out of Germany in the city of Gangelt where they tested 80% of the population, the IFR there was about 0.37%. The way we are testing now, we cannot know how many people have been infected with COVID-19 since we are missing those who had the disease and recovered. Antibody testing is needed to know the true number of people who have been infected. There is a good chance this number is well above 10 million, which drives the IFR down even further.
Children are at almost no risk from this disease.
The CDC estimates 37 to 187 children die every year, not from Covid-19, from the flu. This year we have lost 105 children from the flu. Yet, we have closed every school in America. Education is vitally important and a whole generation will miss a fourth of this school year. Closing schools also goes a long way towards limiting the development of herd immunity.
PPE was limited but is now becoming more available
This article is not meant to diminish the pain and horror this disease can bring to those who get it. I am a physician in one of the highest risk specialties for contracting the disease in the hospital. The lack of personal protective equipment (PPE) facing US healthcare workers is unfair and wrong. Yet, as the curve has flattened, it seems more hospitals have found adequate PPE. The CDC estimates a possible second wave would be at least 150 days from the end of the lockdown, possibly this fall. Ending the lockdowns would have no effect on the PPE for the current crisis. We would have plenty of time to prepare for a possible second wave.
Authorities should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown
Those who want to continue the lockdown indefinitely should show clear evidence regarding the benefits of indefinite lockdown. There needs to be a clear reliable model that shows how many additional lives will be saved considering we have already flattened the curve and there is essentially no further risk of overwhelming the health care system. The previous models were wrong. The consequences of indefinite lockdown are quite staggering, to the tune of one million jobs lost per day.
Jonathan Geach, M.D.
Ankur J Patel, M.D.
Jason Friday, M.D.
Lacy Windham, M.D.
Ashkan Attaran, M.D.
Jennifer Andjelich, D.N.P.
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Post by 41bomber on Apr 16, 2020 12:43:19 GMT -5
Thousands of people die each year of what ever flu is floating around. It's just a fact of life. Since this pandemic has spread no one has mentioned deaths from flu. Every death now is related only to the Chinese virus. There is some kind of governmental payoff for classifying and blaming any death to this virus.
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Post by dustoff262 on Apr 16, 2020 13:03:46 GMT -5
Keep in mind that this is an abbreviated short pandemic season that everyone seems to compare to the flu season. You will get conflicting numbers depending on who you talk to. Some will even state this isnt as deadly. WRONG. You cannot compare this to the flu because the symptoms arent the same. The incubation period isnt the same. The season isnt the same. Take a 6 week period for both of these viruses, compare the same time line, and you will come up with a very different conclusion.
Without the draconian mitigating measures of stay at home, social distancing and wear a mask - which has not been done with the flu - you would have very severe numbers of exposures and deaths. So, my suggestion is stop listening to the disinformation that has permeated our expert professionals on TV, or the news broadcasters reading a teleprompter, or even the politicians who tell you what to believe.
We will never know the truth because its worse than the lie. All the civilized world just want to get this behind them, and get back to normal as quickly as possible. Poverty is the secondary effect from the China Virus and the third will be quickly behind it. Anarchy.
Lets get this economy back up and running quick.
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Post by Prosay on Apr 16, 2020 13:32:16 GMT -5
....AND in ONLY certain "segments" in the city, parts of the city which used to be called by NYC cops as "A" House areas, the precincts with the most crime, most deaths ("natural or otherwise...") and the most "underlying medical conditions".
The idea that a state like Wyoming needs to comply with draconian restrictions like NYC does is reason for upheaval in itself.
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