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Post by Libwithaclue on Apr 14, 2020 9:18:24 GMT -5
Even Fox news is playing stupid. They are all overlooking presidential authority. The President declared that we are at war and declared the "National Emergencies Act". Because of that he has over ruled the normal authorities each individual states have. The President and Congress are the only ones that can terminate this authority. If the President did not declare the emergency then yes the states would determine when to open. We are still at war and still under the umbrella of the "National Emergencies Act".
Am i Wrong?
Proclamation on Declaring a National Emergency Concerning the Novel Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Outbreak
Issued on: March 13, 2020
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Post by The Detail Rack Guy on Apr 14, 2020 9:54:12 GMT -5
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Post by DBLCD on Apr 14, 2020 10:09:45 GMT -5
For weeks the press have been yelling at Trump to use his authority and order those Red State governors to close down their states. He has refused and let the governors run their states. Now they are claiming he has no authority to tell the states what to do. Priceless. Yes, under the NEA POTUS is in charge.
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Post by DBLCD on Apr 15, 2020 10:59:40 GMT -5
Watching Trump's presser yesterday POTUS played this perfectly. By giving the States their own timeline on a "Ready Status".
He clearly stated he will not force any state to open if they are not ready. Brilliant!
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Post by DBLCD on Apr 15, 2020 11:13:34 GMT -5
The Alarming Scope of the President’s Emergency PowersFrom seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, President Trump may legally do all kinds of extraordinary things. ...
The Supreme Court has often upheld such actions or found ways to avoid reviewing them, at least while the crisis was in progress. ...
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Post by Libwithaclue on Apr 15, 2020 11:50:26 GMT -5
Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt
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Post by 3train8x4 on Apr 15, 2020 11:53:28 GMT -5
The Alarming Scope of the President’s Emergency PowersFrom seizing control of the internet to declaring martial law, President Trump may legally do all kinds of extraordinary things. ...
The Supreme Court has often upheld such actions or found ways to avoid reviewing them, at least while the crisis was in progress. ...
Someone needs to remind little Andy of this. |
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Post by dustoff262 on Apr 15, 2020 13:03:25 GMT -5
For legal purposes, and for the President to exercise extraordinary powers, a state of war has to be declared by the congress. Trump is using war like tones, and the DPA to act in mitigating a pandemic emergency. Most of what President Trump has declared by executive orders is legal. But, as VP Mike Pence has stated often, the federal government's role is to assist the states with formulating a plan, transfer personnel and supplies, and not to micromanage the states.
So, the President's ego got a little tweaked and he fell for the media's trap. He sort of walked back his total authority by saying each state would open the economy in a powerful responsible way and that he would work with the governors make that happen.
Mark Levin, a constitutional scholar and expert put it plain and simple about how to go about opening the economy, who is responsible, and who the media will blame.
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Post by DBLCD on Apr 15, 2020 13:15:10 GMT -5
Levin is wrong, SCOTUS has already determined that under a national emergency POTUS has extraordinary powers. Trump's plan in letting the States open up was brilliant in that it puts the responsibility and failures right in the states lap.
If Trump declares that on April 24th the States can start loosening restrictions you can bet that states like Texas and South Dakota would open right up. If idiots like Cuomo then say well we will not open until June, you can bet New Yorkers will call for Cuomo's head. it was another brilliant move by Trump.
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Post by rtrddet2 on Apr 15, 2020 13:29:27 GMT -5
Well Cuomo has issued an EO in direct violation of the 1st Amendment. So I really doubt he gives a fvck what NYers have to say about anything he does.
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Post by DBLCD on Apr 15, 2020 13:33:13 GMT -5
Well Cuomo has issued an EO in direct violation of the 1st Amendment. So I really doubt he gives a fvck what NYers have to say about anything he does. Oh he does. We are all waiting to see when that magical date will be. Just watch and see what Cuomo does. He will never be the last one standing. |
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Post by hapd on Apr 15, 2020 13:34:13 GMT -5
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please clarify emperor small dyck cuomo bro of fredo's EO violating the First Amendment and which part?
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Post by RetirementIsParole on Apr 15, 2020 13:40:50 GMT -5
Levin is wrong, SCOTUS has already determined that under a national emergency POTUS has extraordinary powers. Trump's plan in letting the States open up was brilliant in that it puts the responsibility and failures right in the states lap.
If Trump declares that on April 24th the States can start loosening restrictions you can bet that states like Texas and South Dakota would open right up. If idiots like Cuomo then say well we will not open until June, you can bet New Yorkers will call for Cuomo's head. it was another brilliant move by Trump.
It's really a fine line between POTUS extraordinary power and dictatorship, particularly when those powers affect rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. POTUS cannot act as the Legislator, and the Legislature cannot enact laws that violate the Bill of Rights. |
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Post by rtrddet2 on Apr 15, 2020 13:44:59 GMT -5
Combat Information Center Watch Supervisor please clarify emperor small dyck cuomo bro of fredo's EO violating the First Amendment and which part? The right to peaceful assembly. |
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Post by Elmo334 on Apr 15, 2020 13:49:13 GMT -5
He also just issued an order that everyone must wear a mask when in public.
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Post by DBLCD on Apr 15, 2020 13:54:02 GMT -5
There is already case law in what Trump is doing. Trump has declared a national emergency and is using the powers of the federal government to assist the states. There were many states like New York who dropped the ball and required Uncle Sam to bail them out. Think about the egg on Cuomos face if it wasn't for Trumps help.
Now examine what Trump is doing, he is going to declare a date when this emergency will be over and the states can start to open up. He made it very clear yesterday at the presser that he will allow the states to determine on their own to open up after his declared date. He will not force a state to open if they believe they are still in trouble. Further, he declared he will continue to help those states in need. For states like Michigan who have an inept governor, the failure to open in a timely fashion will fall on that governors lap.
This is brilliant.
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Post by hapd on Apr 15, 2020 14:00:54 GMT -5
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the 1A Freedom of Assembly can't be dissolved by a Emperor bro of fredo Gubbnor-wear a mask, stay 6 feet apart and wash year hands. a federal district judge will shove it up his azz!
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Post by Prosay on Apr 15, 2020 14:20:08 GMT -5
That's correct, and that's how George Bush got jammed up with Katrina. FEMA tried to remain in an "assist" mode down in New Orleans, but the mayor of New Orleans, Ray Nagin, was SO incompetent (and corrupt) FEMA had no choice but to step in a run the show. Things moved slowly because everyone else under Nagin were incompetent.
So instead of blaming Nagin and the administration of his "Chocolate City," the press blamed Bush.
And I think that's what Trump is correctly looking to avoid.
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Post by rtrddet2 on Apr 15, 2020 15:15:32 GMT -5
Combat Information Center Watch Supervisor the 1A Freedom of Assembly can't be dissolved by a Emperor bro of fredo Gubbnor-wear a mask, stay 6 feet apart and wash year hands. a federal district judge will shove it up his azz! While all of us here agree, the EO banning groups of 10 or more needs to be shoved up every politician's azz. |
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Post by Elmo334 on Apr 16, 2020 13:33:55 GMT -5
What BIG thing happened on 4/10/20? Did you miss it?
It was the day Donald J. Trump became the most powerful president in U.S. history.
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Last Friday, 4/10/20 (Good Friday), Wyoming became the 50th and last state to issue a State of Emergency declaration due to the Chinese virus. (The first state to do so was Washington State, on Monday March 2.) This is the first time in American history that EVERY U.S. State...
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and Territory has been under a State of Emergency declaration simultaneously.
What does this mean?
During this unique National Emergency, the authority of the President of the U.S. is unquestionably plenary, meaning that his authority is expanded beyond normal boundaries.
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What does the President now have control over?
(1) He can regulate all commerce and business transactions (National Defense Production Act), e.g. — he can order GM to make ventilators
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(2) He can regulate ALL finances in the U.S., including all international transactions (Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917)
(3) He can take control of ALL MEDIA IN THE U.S. (Communications Act of 1934). He can establish the Office of Telecommunications Management which...
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oversees all media and telecommunications. President Kennedy did this through Executive Order 10995 in 1962
(4) He can capture ALL manpower and resources (Kennedy Executive Orders 10997, 10999, 11000, 11001, 11002, 11003, 11004, and 11005)
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(5) He can deploy the U.S. Military within the U.S.
(6) He can suspend the U.S. government
Sometimes people ask, “Why is President Trump waiting and waiting and waiting to drain the swamp?“ The reason is that he needed all 50 states under emergency powers to have full control.
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Now he can even bypass Congress.
The President’s hands are no longer tied and he now has full authority to complete the enormous task of draining the swamp!!
Boom! BombBombBomb
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Post by terry33 on Apr 16, 2020 15:19:19 GMT -5
More Elmo kookooland nonsense. Trump is going to use his plenary power under the National Emergencies Act to 'drain the swamp', i.e., get rid of his deep state enemies?
If he did that he would get impeached by the entire House and Senate in 45 minutes.
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Post by Elmo334 on Apr 16, 2020 15:26:22 GMT -5
More Elmo kookooland nonsense. Trump is going to use his plenary power under the National Emergencies Act to 'drain the swamp', i.e., get rid of his deep state enemies? If he did that he would get impeached by the entire House and Senate in 45 minutes. Can’t you read? These are the powers he has. It isn’t debatable. The question is does he use them. If he does dismiss congress how do they impeach him? |
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