China's new carrier is looking for trouble in the South ...

[terry33]

China Sea.



China’s new aircraft carrier the Shandong could confront other nations in disputed South China Sea, state media says



Kristin Huang
Kristin Huang
Published: 11:00pm, 27 Dec, 2019




China’s new aircraft carrier the Shandong could confront other nations in disputed South China Sea, state media says
New Chinese aircraft carrier aimed at ‘domination’ in South China Sea




China / Military
China’s new aircraft carrier the Shandong could confront other nations in disputed South China Sea, state media says
Commentary warns of face-to-face encounters related to ‘freedom of navigation’ operations, being conducted by nations including the US
The new vessel would be used for combat according to state controlled media.



China’s first home-built aircraft carrier, the Shandong, will focus its mission on the disputed South China Sea and having face-to-face encounters with foreign vessels, state media said on Wednesday.
The new warship, commissioned on Tuesday, would be used for combat, mainly for gaining control of seas claimed by China, rather than focusing only on training missions like China’s first aircraft carrier the Liaoning, the reports said.
“The main strategic focus of the Shandong will be on waters around the South China Sea,” a commentary published by a social media account affiliated with Communist Party mouthpiece People’s Daily said on Wednesday.
“Recently, military vessels and aircraft from some nations have been carrying out so-called freedom of navigation operations in the South China Sea, stirring up troubles and challenging China’s national sovereignty,” it said.


“The aircraft strike group headed by the Shandong will be deployed to the South China Sea. It is very likely that it will have face-to-face encounters with foreign military vessels.”
The commentary did not name any nation, but Beijing has repeatedly accused the United States of infringing its maritime territory and provoking tensions by sending military vessels and aircraft to disputed parts of the sea that are also claimed by the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan.
US freedom of navigation operations have challenged what Washington has said is Chinese activity limiting movement in the South China Sea. Washington has complained about China building islands on reefs and shoals, and installing military facilities on them.
US says South China Sea voyages get more attention than deserved
15 May 2019

Chinese President Xi Jinping officially commissioned the new warship, previously known as the Type 001A, on Tuesday in Sanya, a port in the southern island province of Hainan. The ceremony was attended by officials from the Southern Theatre Command, which oversees operations in the South China Sea.


The vessel last month passed through the Taiwan Strait to conduct “scientific trials and routine training” and headed to the South China Sea.

“The Shandong is aimed at achieving domination in both the air and sea,” the commentary said.
Chinese warplanes take South China Sea exercises to new level
17 Dec 2019

The ship was expected to be officially commissioned in April, but its trial phase took longer than some military observers had expected, suggesting that it had suffered technical problems. The aircraft carrier underwent its first sea trial in May last year.
It will be able to carry 36 J-15 fighter jets, compared with the Liaoning’s capacity of 24, and 40 aircraft in total, including Z-9 helicopters and KJ-600 early-warning planes.

Taiwan says it will forcefully expel Chinese jets next time they cross Taiwan Strait median line
The carrier was constructed by Dalian Shipbuilding Industry in Liaoning province, in China’s northeast. The company started work on the vessel in 2013.
The People’s Daily commentary said the two ships would complement each other, despite the Liaoning being based in Qingdao, in eastern China, and the Shandong in Sanya, in the far south. The Chinese navy would test the combat-readiness of an aircraft carrier strike group headed by the two ships, it said.
US warplanes ‘on Beijing’s radar in South China Sea’
10 Dec 2019

“One carrier will provide defence and auxiliary operations for aircraft, while the fighter jets on the other carrier will be free to carry out offensive missions,” it said.
The South China Sea – rather than the calmer East China Sea and the narrower Yellow Sea, between China and the Korean peninsula – is also the best place to train and test Chinese aircraft carriers’ combat capability, according to Hong Kong-based military expert Song Zhongping.
Messages for Beijing in Vietnam, Malaysia defence papers
18 Dec 2019

“The Shandong ship might have achieved a certain level of initial operation capability through its several past sea trials, but only the wind, heat and immense area of the South China Sea could test its real combat standard, and whether it is able to fight effectively with destroyers, frigates and other warships.”
Additional reporting by Minnie Chan

[cheswick]

Was it made with chinese parts?

[hapd]

Combat Information Center Watch Supervisor

still undergoing sea trials and growing pains. still, do not underestimate them. far and big as she is, this carrier one third of what a US carrier is fully capable of doing so and ours can nearly double her speed and is much more heavily defended and will continue to add more defensive arms, than the Chicomms can, till we get surprised.

[Blue Trumpet]

Yawn

[PDU]

Torpedo practice

[pr24ftubx]

Dec 27, 2019 19:40:17 GMT -5 PDU said:

Torpedo practice

“The Silent Service”. 

[terry33]

Maybe they intend to turn it into a giant chinese restaurant and do quick deliveries of General Tso's chicken to the other ships at sea. Except if you dont tip you get bombed.

[jobsecurity]

Fu(kem. They can get the business too. China hasn’t been in a military conflict since 1979, when the depleted Vietnamese military handed the Chinese their asses in a cross border skirmish. I don’t want a war. But they aren’t going into international waters to tell us what’s what either. Just because the Chinese declare the South China Sea is theirs doesn’t make it so.

[dustoff262]

We should just reduce the south China Sea to 12 square miles and call the rest the Pacific Ocean. Get the mapmakers to have china print those maps too.

If we were to get into a skirmish with china, it will start with killer satellites to take out our GPS sats, which our military heavily relies on. It can render ship's long range weapons systems and war planes out of service until back up ship to ship GPS can get online. China would only need a 5 min window of opportunity to launch their attack.

Dont underestimate the Asians. We don't have a good track record against them since WW2. They have studied our tactics and history. We probably have educated 2/3rds of their military leadership.

It will be a deadly encounter which NATO's Article 5 "should" be implemented but those leftist socialist Europeans may not jump in as quickly as we need them to.

[bohica9]

Dec 27, 2019 20:43:15 GMT -5 dustoff262 said:

Get the mapmakers to have china print those maps too.

Now, that would be funny.

[Pressure Point Cop]

PIt’s not the fact that the carrier is “Made In China”. It’s the fact that the Dewey Fongs flying the counterfeit knockoff SU-33s (they apparently are made by the same factory that produces Fandi bags and Relax watches) are also made in China. These bozos can’t land on a deck. End of story.

The USN has almost 100 years of carrier ops experience. No one even comes remotely close to that organizational experience. But it’s also a perishable skill. Even the British Royal Navy, as fine as they are, essentially needs to re-learn how to do this, being out of the carrier game for over 20 years. Luckily for them, the USN was deeply involved in both the design and construction of the new Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers. The Royal Navy and Royal Air Force train alongside our pilots, use our facilities, and are actually deploying with a squadron of United States Marine Corps F 35‘s embarked. The UK is able to leverage our experience. Such is the nature of our “special relationship”.

China Essentially has to teach itself how to do all of this. Stolen information and YouTube videos only go so far.

nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/chinas-aircraft-carriers-have-big-problem-fatally-flawed-fighter-planes-25072

[PJ807]

It was so nice of the R's and D's in DC back in the 90's to give China MOst Favored Nation trade status. The result was millions of lost jobs, the rise of deby to replace the lost wealth we USED to create here, and of course, the enrichment of China.

We built every carrier, warship and missile they have to use against us, and to do it we impoverished and indebted all of America except a small sliver of the .1% and the whore politicians in DC that they own.

[PDU]

I was told by an old Korean war vet that the Chinese we're good. Good at dying

[keltec]

If they sail the way they drive this ship will suddenly make a left turn into a dock on a clear sunny day with no obstacles in sight for 100 miles .....

[hapd]

Combat Information Center Watch Supervisor


terry33 said
Maybe they intend to turn it into a giant chinese restaurant and do quick deliveries of General Tso's chicken to the other ships at sea.

well that is pretty much what the chicoms said about buying the old retired shittily built soviet carrier, that they refurbished and is up and running quite nicely training their pilots on their versions of take off's and landings. the planes they build are stolen from our plans and built to our specs. none to date has fallen outta the sky like russian planes do.

[Harry Callahan]

If someone is looking for trouble, they will eventually find it.

[dustoff262]

[DBLCD]

"Shandong"

They basically copied an old soviet design. They just gave us a major target for our fighters to practice on. It's so tiny, they should have named it the Stephanopoulos.

[behindtheline]

They are a rehearsed navy that has been able to copy Western technology and tactics for the last 40 years plus and we gave it to them through our political system from both sides starting from Richard Nixon on down.

Nonetheless, they can copy all they want but America has actually fought these gut wrenching battles before and though it will not be an immediate victory, we will prevail as the once Japanese Admiral Yamamoto' stated; " I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."............the difference here is that we have been a war for 18 years plus, thats plenty of experience if you ask me.

[Harry Callahan]

The chart at the top of the thread refers to 20 Japanese decommissioned carriers.

Are they decommissioned at the bottom of the Pacific since 1945?

[hapd]

Combat Information Center Watch Supervisor

chy-na has a huge coast guard. over 600 ships of various sizes. they say they are not armed, I call BS. along with a over 300 ship navy and thousands of shore based missiles, they are a hard knut to crack if we go up against them. any war with chy-na would be very bloody and possibly end in a central nuclear exchange. do not kid yourselves. with the corrupt leftist media, corrupt chamber of commerce, corrupt universities and corrupt politicians all on their payroll they'd make life very hard for anyone they decide to go up against.

[DBLCD]

Godspeed

[terry33]

Chin wants complete control of the South China Sea and they are going to try to get it either by intimidation or outright aggression.
Soon their Coast Guard is going to ram a foreign boat that got too close to one of their islands that they unilaterally grabbed.
The Chinese will then study the reaction of the international community. If, as they probably expect, other nations, including us, do nothing but jump up and down and issue diplomatic complaints, the Chinese will continue these low-level actions and blame other nations for not following the rules, meaning their rules.
They will push and push until some nation stands up to them. When that happens, America has some serious decisions to make. 
Is it worth going to war with them over the South China Sea? I dont know.

[Pressure Point Cop]

Dec 27, 2019 19:18:42 GMT -5 Blue Trumpet said:

Yawn

The chart does not reflect the big deck amphibs like the Wasp and America class that are now beginning to deploy with USMC F-35 aircraft.  In an all F-35 air wing configuration, those Gators become small aircraft carriers that are almost the equivalent  of what other nations, like Spain, Italy and India call "aircraft carriers".  

Besides, until the Bioweapon Warriors learn how to land on a flattop, these ships won't be terribly useful to them. 

nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china%E2%80%99s-getting-new-aircraft-carrier-plane-dont-get-too-excited-147651

[southerncop1]

They don't have to worry about the US Carriers. All they have to do is raise the Coronavirus Flag and we will skidaddle out to a Carriers Social Distance of 500 miles.